When did committing felonies become a business model?
California Penal Code 632:
632 (a) A person who, intentionally and without the consent of all
parties to a confidential communication, uses an electronic amplifying
or recording device to eavesdrop upon or record the confidential
communication, whether the communication is carried on among the
parties in the presence of one another or by means of a telegraph,
telephone, or other device, except a radio, shall be punished by a
fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500) per
violation, or imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or
in the state prison, or by both that fine and imprisonment. If the
person has previously been convicted of a violation of this section or
Section 631, 632.5, 632.6, 632.7, or 636, the person shall be punished
by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000) per violation,
by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or in the
state prison, or by both that fine and imprisonment.
(b) For the purposes of this section, "person" means an individual,
business association, partnership, corporation, limited liability
company, or other legal entity, and an individual acting or purporting
to act for or on behalf of any government or subdivision thereof,
whether federal, state, or local, but excludes an individual known by
all parties to a confidential communication to be overhearing or
recording the communication.
(c) For the purposes of this section, "confidential communication"
means any communication carried on in circumstances as may reasonably
indicate that any party to the communication desires it to be confined
to the parties thereto, but excludes a communication made in a public
gathering or in any legislative, judicial, executive, or
administrative proceeding open to the public, or in any other
circumstance in which the parties to the communication may reasonably
expect that the communication may be overheard or recorded.
(d) Except as proof in an action or prosecution for violation of this
section, evidence obtained as a result of eavesdropping upon or
recording a confidential communication in violation of this section is
not admissible in any judicial, administrative, legislative, or other
proceeding.
(e) This section does not apply (1) to any public utility engaged in
the business of providing communications services and facilities, or
to the officers, employees, or agents thereof, if the acts otherwise
prohibited by this section are for the purpose of construction,
maintenance, conduct, or operation of the services and facilities of
the public utility, (2) to the use of any instrument, equipment,
facility, or service furnished and used pursuant to the tariffs of a
public utility, or (3) to any telephonic communication system used for
communication exclusively within a state, county, city and county, or
city correctional facility.
(f) This section does not apply to the use of hearing aids and similar
devices, by persons afflicted with impaired hearing, for the purpose
of overcoming the impairment to permit the hearing of sounds
ordinarily audible to the human ear.
Come the law breakers
Note-takers that use meeting applications have a business model
that allows anyone participating in an online meeting to have the
contents of the meetings recorded, transcribed, interpreted, and
transmitted. This happens in two ways:
- The legal way: By the provider of the service which
notifies all participants to the presence of a recording and allows
them to individually opt in or out of such portions of the call being
recorded.
- The illegal way: By 3rd parties invited to the call who have
signed up to notetakers that record, transcribe, and otherwise act on
the information in the call without the permission of all parties to
the call.
For reference, on my group calls this month we have an average of
about 40 people on the call, including a few who dial in over the
phone. And we get an average of about 8 note takers that try to join
the call, which I try to identify and deny access to. But every once
in a while, one gets through - because it has a long name that I
cannot see all of or just doesn't identify itself as a note-taker.
No, it's not OK
They are not just recording, of course. They are using my
confidential advice to the attendees, their confidential information
provided on the call, and my answers to complex questions to train
their AI, or usually as it turns out mistrain it.
I have spent years of my life learning lessons the hard way and I
share those lessons with you through these articles, videos, and
online real-time discussions. That is part of my contribution to
society as a whole and the individuals who choose to join me on the
calls or read my articles.
The calls are free to those who are invited, and while I do charge
folks for more specific advice requiring me to spend individual time
and effort and pay for services and technologies to support the
effort, it's not economic compensation I am after for my expertise on
these calls. It's a two way street. We have discussions, people ask
questions and I try to help them in my answers. Those answers lead to
other questions and engage other participants in sharing their
thoughts and understandings. It's a private conversation between
willing participants, under the terms that we all agree to. And as we
get to know each other, we form relationships that are, I hope,
mutually beneficial.
So no... It's not OK to take our discussions and relationship
building efforts without consent, in violation of the law.
Not the first time
I note that this is not the first time I have seen industries
founded on violating the law. Obviously, pornography, which has led
the charge for many technical innovations over time. But that's not
really what I am talking about here. I am talking about supposedly
good people trying to do good things, who through negligence,
knowingly and intentionally violate laws, or fail to even check that
what they are doing is legal.
Which brings me to a short (too late?) story.
- I attended a meeting of researchers sponsored by a government agency
many years ago, and as they explained their efforts and results, I
notices, and spoke up, that they were breaking into innocent victims'
systems and planting Trojan horses to study the criminals who were
breaking into those victims' systems and planting Trojan horses.
- There is no exception to the laws in this regard for
"researchers", and furthermore, the principal for research resulting
from the nuclear and biological experiments on soldiers and others, it
"informed consent". The participants must be informed and consent to
the activities, and they have rights to see the results.
- When I brought it up, I was not thanked and appreciated for
pointing out that they were violating the law, and in fact, some
claimed that because they were doing research, it was OK.
- NO!!! Breaking the law is NOT OK. Committing
felonies is NOT OK.
- Nobody got arrested, but the research program and many related
research programs using information technology were re-examined and
updated to reflect the need to not commit crimes under the guise of
"research" and to discourage such violations of ethical requirements
for research.
But fear not. Those social media sites are largely legally doing
studies using your data and you as a target of their psychological
efforts. It turns out you can do this for money, but not for
legitimate research.
It's their business model
For those of you who perhaps fund these companies, if you are aware
of their criminal behavior and still invest, you are potentially part
of a criminal conspiracy to commit these crimes. And when I say aware
of their criminal behavior, you don't have to know it's a crime. All
you need to know is that they are recording online communications and
fail to diligently ask how they get permission. I am not a lawyer, and
you should talk to yours about this, but to be clear, my lay
understanding is that if two or more people agree and one of them
subsequently performs an overt act in furtherance of the crime, they are
all committing the crime. And what could be clearer as a conspirator
than knowingly funding the criminal acts?
Don't believe me... See what the Federal Law Enforcement Training
Agency says about it at
https://www.fletc.gov/audio/federal-conspiracy-law-mp3.
"... A Conspiracy can be described generally as a sort of partnership
in crime. Legally, a Conspiracy exists when 2 or more persons join
together and form an agreement to violate the law, and then act on
that agreement. The crime of Conspiracy was created to address the
inherent dangers posed to society when people come together and join
forces to commit criminal acts. An important feature of the Conspiracy
statute is that it enables the investigator to get beyond the first
layer of visible members to find and prosecute the “brains” behind a
criminal scheme or organization. Specific federal anti-conspiracy
statutes are found throughout federal law. State statutes also contain
anti-conspiracy laws. ..."
And just in case you figure that you didn't know it was a crime,
ignorance of the law is no excuse... but check with your lawyer... a
criminal lawyer who specialized in this, not your lawyer who just does
does contracts.
But to be clear, for the stuff I described earlier, you can no
longer claim ignorance!
Get out while you can!
But you can maybe save yourself if the criminal act has not yet
been taken...
"...Withdrawal from a Conspiracy requires more than simply no longer
participating. To withdraw from a Conspiracy, there are two basic
requirements: First – the person must do some affirmative act
inconsistent with the goals of the Conspiracy. Unless the
co-conspirator can demonstrate that he quit the Conspiracy, his or her
participation in the Conspiracy is presumed to continue. Second – the
co-conspirator must do some affirmative act that is reasonably
calculated to communicate to a fellow co-conspirator, or law
enforcement, that he has withdrawn from the Conspiracy. Withdrawal
from a Conspiracy is an affirmative defense that must be raised and
proven by the defendant. ..."
If you are investing in one of these companies, get out now!
Withdraw your funds, report it to law enforcement (check with your
lawyer first), or whatever you have to do to get out.
If you are working for a firm that does this, same thing... quit
under protest, talk to your lawyer first.
If you are running one of these companies... Stop
It!
Conclusions
In their exuberance to make money by leveraging AI, folks are
apparently breaking the law. And if you are investing in them, you
are also apparently breaking the law. I'd rather not see you in
jail... But it's not just AI. And it's not just investors. Ignorance
of the law is no excuse - so don't be ignorant ... and stay out of
jail.
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In summary
Stop committing crimes. And stop letting them commit these crimes
against you by reporting them to your local, state, or Federal law
enforcement, depending on what they are doing.
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